2ND AMENDMENT

According to the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, I have the RIGHT to KEEP and to BEAR arms. But our govt today has conviced the majority of the People that they have only the right to KEEP them, IF that. The thing about ALL gun control laws is that they're UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Even forcing me to have a license is unconstitutional - the word license literally means permission to do something that you otherwise wouldn't be allowed to do. But keeping and bearing arms is my RIGHT. I dont need permission to do what it is my RIGHT to do. There is no reason according to the Constitution why I cant sling a rifle over my shoulder and take a nice walk around the block. As long as I didnt do anything wrong with it, didnt point it at anyone, didnt shoot it at anything, etc, I wouldnt have violated the Constitution. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if ALL the people who own guns in America just started OPENLY carrying them. Not doing anything wrong, just excercising their Constitutional Right. It would be almost like an act of civil disobedience, kind of Ghandi-esque. They cant arrest that many people - I think they would just have to accept it. Enforce the Constitution by Living it.

The most important and often most forgotten reason for the second amendment; It was not created for hunting, sports shooting, collecting firearms, or any other purpose. The second amendment was written so the people would have the means to dispose of the government if it became tyrannical and despotic towards the people. Everything else is secondary. All of the modern gun laws are illegal according to the Constitution and anyone enforcing these illegal gun laws is in violation of the oath they took to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON

Exactly !

Jesus supports the second amendment IMO. He did say,

Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

If a sword is more important than a GARMENT, I guess it must be pretty important ! Jesus just basically told us its better to be NAKED than unarmed and I agree with Him. Why is it that so many of our Christian brothers and sisters ignore this passage ? Jesus TOLD THEM to BUY A SWORD (today it would be a gun). Why dont they OBEY their Savior ?!

I also notice in the next verse, they say to Him, "Behold, here are two swords". That means two of the apostles were walking around ARMED the whole time they were with Jesus ! Did He ever tell them, "Dont carry those evil swords" ? Our People need to wake up and stop being fooled into thinking guns are evil and bad. People today are SCARED of them like their gonna get up by themselves and shoot people ! LOL

Thats why I think we need to do WHATEVER WE CAN to make sure there are guns in the hands of the U.S. citizens. This is gonna sound controversial, but I dont even consider gun runners to be criminals. I think they deserve a medal - IMO they're doing a public service.

I'm like Charlton Heston when it comes to this issue - they can take mine out of my cold, dead hands. What is the saying, a man without freedom is a fool without guns ? Or something like that

PS according to the Constitution we are supposed to be able to have the EXACT SAME KIND of guns as the Military so they dont have a monoploy of power over us. I remember hearing of a case recently where the court decided that assault rifles, etc were actually EXACTLY the type of guns the Constitution refers to when it speaks of our right to bear arms. If the Constitution is interpreted in the most strictly literal sense, then there is no reason why we cant own tanks, bazookas, WHATEVER the govt has. You're RIGHT, the 2nd Amendment was not written to protect plinkers, pea shooters and squirrel guns. The founding fathers had a DIFFERENT kind of VARMINT in mind LOL. The RATS that currently inhabit our govt !

This is going to be an interesting response so please bear with me brother.

First, I'd like to respond to Jesus and those verses you described. When Jesus said those things He was fulfilling scripture from the old testament. I don't readily have the scripture on hand to show you but I will find it for the both of us. If Jesus truly thought it was more important to be armed then clothed then why did he rebuke Peter when Peter cut off the ear of the soldier? Jesus healed the solider and told Peter to stop fighting. I'm going to make a distinction but first I'd like to respond to some of the other things you wrote.

This is gonna sound controversial, but I don't even consider gun runners to be criminals. I think they deserve a medal - IMO they're doing a public service.

It is controversial, but no necessarily in my opinion. I think felons should be armed, able to buy a firearm to defend themselves and their families. We both know there are certain people who probably shouldn't have access to a firearm but we cannot throw away the baby with the bath water. If anyone should have to register a gun it should be violent felons. All non-violent felons should have the same freedoms as every other citizen. They did their time and paid their debt to society. In the 19th century Americans would be given their firearms back upon release from prison. Even in the early 20th century this was the common practice.

As for gun runners that is a little different. I could think up a few positive examples of good people benefiting from gun running but I wonder if the majority of their business does more harm then good? I guess it depends on how you define "gun runner" If you mean people who make firearms accessible to free and Constitutional abiding citizens for the purpose of self-defense and protection from a tyrannical government, I would completely agree with you. If, on the other hand you're talking about people who sell firearms for the purpose of arming criminals then I would have to disagree. We'd also have to define the word "criminal", because in this day and age not everyone labeled or charged as a criminal is in reality a criminal.

So all in all I think we agree on the whole.

About the meaning of the second amendment as it pertains to us being equally armed concerning the government. I agree but this is a subject that must be discussed carefully and reasonably. We, the American people, need clear and definitive rules and guidelines on this subject. Think about it, would you feel comfortable with any Tom, Dick or Harry having a grenade launcher or a tank in their back yard? Some would say yes and others would say no. And if you're a reasonable man you can see the problem I'm attempting to flesh out. It can be solved though, it will just take a little time and effort on the part of the people.

Again, we're in agreement fundamentally, we just need to work out the finer details of how it could be safely organized. A true assault rifle has a select fire switch so you can go from single shot to burst or fully automatic. The gun grabbers are labeling civilian rifles like the AK-47 (the ones we can buy anyway) and the AR-15 as assault weapons when they are not! This is how these people operate. Everything that drips from their crooked mouths is a deception or an outright lie.

In my opinion, I think Jesus scolded Peter for cutting off that person's ear because it was God's will for Jesus to die on the cross for us, and armed resistance might have prevented that. This is only my opinion, but I dont think Jesus was saying we couldn't defend ourselves, only that He couldn't allow Peter to stop the crucifixion from happening, for OUR sakes, since if Jesus hadnt been crucified we wouldnt be saved now; we'd still be in our sins.

As for my "gun runners" comment, what I mean by that is since our govt tries to keep us from having guns, I think anyone who's making guns available is doing a good deed. They might not KNOW theyre doing a good deed, they may be in it strictly for the money, but if it someday means me or some other citizen is able to get ahold of a gun, then I think it was a good thing. Like the Bible says, "ALL things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." So I'm not necessarily saying the gun runners themselves are good, only that its a good thing they exist.

Your right that I wouldnt feel very safe with everyone on my street owning rocket launchers or tanks. But I do think citizens need to have access to such things since the govt does. I think the answer is Militias; that way the citizens have access to the equiptment but only under the authority and supervision of a competent leader. That sounds like a good middle ground to me. What do you think ?

As for your point about rifles, you're exactly right. I have some rifles but since they were purchased in NY state they are strictly semi-auto, but I find thats plenty of firepower for my needs. Automatics are really hard to control anyways and with a good semi-auto you can achieve basically the same rate of fire anyway. But even though they are only semi-auto, I'm sure lots of people would label them assualt weapons - even though they have never assaulted anyone !! LOL

Good post bro !

Peace

Just wanted to add another thought, that if the Constitution was obeyed by our lying, criminal, mafia-like govt, there would be no need for gun runners. So I want to add that caveat to what I said. As long as the govt.'s "gun control" laws are in place, THEN I think its a good thing there's people willing to disregard those laws and sell us guns anyway. But I hope for the day when such people will be completely unnecessary.

I agree with you. When the government ignores the will of the people we have the right (Given to us by our Creator)to exercise our freedoms, regardless of what our criminal government says. Until the Tribulation begins we have to guard our freedoms and God given rights any way we can, and that means by violence if necessary. This is a tough issue, especially for the followers of Jesus Christ.

Jesus said that we should offer the other check when struck and go the extra mile when a person only asks us to go one mile. If someone asks us to borrow something we should give it to them and if the enemy takes our coat we should also give them our shirt. These are hard teachings.

If we are violently attacked we're supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ but what happens when our family is in physical danger? Are we supposed to allow them to be brutally murdered? I don't think so. I couldn't sit by and allow someone to hurt my family and I hope Jesus Christ wouldn't want me to. It's one thing to glorify Jesus Christ by turning the other cheek, or even offering the other cheek to be struck, but to allow evil men to destroy our families does nothing (at least nothing that I can think of) to glorify God.

When we submit to the teachings of Christ and behave in a Christ-like manner we are glorifying our Savior. But I see no reason or glory in allowing evil men to murder our families.

Yes amen brother. I agree with you 100%. If someone just wants to slap or punch me, and I can get away safely without violence, of course I will. For me violence is the absolute LAST option. But when someone wants to hurt or kill my wife or my children, thats a different story. Any good shepherd would protect his flock when the wolf shows up, just like David did; he killed lions and bears who attacked his sheep. I feel like I'm my family's shepherd, in a way, and I wont allow any harm to come to my sheep, not if theres ANYTHING at ALL that I can do to stop it.

I've always looked at myself more as a sheepdog than a sheep anyway. Jesus is our Shepherd, and all shepherds use shepherd dogs to help them guard and keep the flock. The sheep dog has all the characteristics of the wolf, from the strength, to the teeth, but the sheep dog PROTECTS the sheep with those teeth and strength. Thats how I see myself. I'm like Jesus' own personal German Shepherd dog or something. I've been trained to be able to fight or kill just like the bad guys but unlike them I dont use those skills for evil, but rather in service of my Shepherd and His flock. Do you know what I mean, bro ?

Peace

Yes, I do know what you mean. Though, just to be technically proper, Jesus is our Shepard and we His sheep. But that doesn't mean we can't assume the roll of sheepdog when the need arises. The word says, "Be harmless as doves but wise as serpents" and that means knowing when to run, when to submit and when to fight.

Amen to that ! I dont mean to give you the impression that I'm obsessed with fighting or anything. I'm no brawler, believe me ! But I do feel God made me into a soldier for a reason. When the time comes, I'll be liberating people from the FEMA camps and waging guerilla warfare on the AC and his troops. I KNOW I cant win, but I am DETERMINED to be as big of a pain in Satan's a** as I can ! LOL I'll be like a vicious little chihuahua nipping at his heels until the day I die LOL.

Peace

I'm a peaceful man, I've always barked more than bit. But I have my limits like all decent men do and if forced I will fight. Things are really moving fast. It's actually looking like there will be a second American revolution fairly soon, or worse, a second civil war. I just don't see the elite giving up. They want to take away every freedom we've been given by God.

Hehe. Let's hope we'll be a little (chihuahua) more effective then that!

LOL yes I sure do hope we're more effective than that ! Just being humble I guess ! LOL

Yes, it does seem like there might be another Revolution or Civil War. Unfortunately IMO there is alot of danger in that. Have you ever read the book Animal Farm ? Because thats what I worry about with a Revolution scenario. Who's to say the new govt will be any different or better than our current bunch of crooks ?

I like the word "Restoration" much better because IMO our Constitution and our system of govt are Good, its only the wicked individuals in power that need to be removed. Sure we'll have to change a few laws, but we dont want to throw out the baby with the bathwater ! What I would really like to see is not so much a NEW country or govt but rather I would like to see our Constitution actually ENFORCED. Obviously, there's no such thing as a utopia and our govt will NEVER be perfect, but I do really believe that the Constitution is a good document that is well thought out and IF followed, would give the greatest possible freedom and happiness to each individual. I have yet to see a better system of govt. My fear is that the NWO might WANT us to have a revolution so they can force a Communist style govt on us, or even just to "divide and conquer", as they say.

So I think a great deal of caution is necessary, because not everyone is on the same side as us ! I'm sure if you and I were in power, things would be much better than they are now, but what if the man to take power is nothing like us ? Thats why it worries me because the masses can be easily deluded, just like what happened in Russia, China, Germany, etc. There's so many anarchists, communists, socialists, etc just in the patriot movement alone that I dont really see a revolution turning out well. What we REALLY need are a lot more people like you and me, bro, if we want our movement to succeed ! I think we need to try very hard to spread this idea that we need a RESTORATION, not a revolution, or we might end up even worse off than we are now !

Peace bro

Man! You keep surprising me!

I wrote the exact same thing on Infowars. I got into an argument because I was telling people we didn't want a Revolution but a Reformation. Everyone thought I was being too semantic (my word, not theirs) It seems like most of the people aren't intelligent enough to know what semantics are and why they are important. They certainly didn't get the important distinction between revolution and reformation, that's for sure. Words are important, they are what we use to communicate with each other (I wrote this same sentence on Infowars) but to little effect. The importance was lost on them.

The same things worry me (though I doubt we need to worry, I think things will take quite a different turn then what everyone expects. Think tribulation. I think God will intervene before things get out of hand, again, think nuclear weapons.) Evil men are everywhere and the good men seem to be few and far between, and the good ones there are don't necessarily know the truth like you and I do.

I have a hardback edition of 1984 and Animal Farm contained in a single volume. I've read 1984 but have yet to read Animal Farm. I only know that it is about animals and that the animals are used as an analogy. I'm looking forward to reading it. I rarely read any fiction nowadays, I mainly stay with non-fiction. I'm thirsty for knowledge, it's not because I'm against entertainment. We all need to take some time for ourselves and relax and unwind. I'm not a Puritan Christian. I watch movies, some which are not exactly the best thing to be watching but I take care to guard my mind while watching them. Believe it or not I love the George Romero Zombie films!

Anyway, I wonder if we'll be trading in one tyrannical government for another, same as you.

-laz.

I would also like to point out that "arms" is a very broad term. The term is not limited to guns. There are many other weapons which are just as deadly and just as useful for self-defense. Some have not even been invented. Necessity is the mother of invention. And so, I have been working on a couple of different concepts which launch small projectiles with deadly and accurate force. The concepts exist nowhere but in my head and I haven't built a single a prototype. But I know that I can make them work, if they become necessary. Neither device works on the basis of pyrotechnics and both are nearly silent. The primary goal of these concepts is a weapon which could be manufactured in the wilderness with limited resources; and in mass quantities. I can only hope that there are others who are thinking beyond conventional paradigms.

Good work Battle Hymn ! That is a very good idea. I know how to make crude guns, and I have seen a weapon that is nearly silent and fires ball bearings at an incredible rate of speed. I cant remember the name of it but it is COOL ! Your right though, arrows, knives, even rocks can be weapons and can be just as deadly as a gun. Good post ! You really have my mind working right now thinking about this concept. Excellent !

Peace

Looks like we have a mad scientist among us!

I'd love to here more about some of these unconventional weapons, it sounds very interesting. Necessity is the mother of invention but thinking and designing them inside the mind before you have to is a huge advantage if things go south very quickly.

One of the concepts could be assembled in the wilderness, but not manufactured from scratch. It could be made from the components in a remote control car. Do you remember the dual wheel pitching machines in little league? Well, basically shrink that down to a hand-held device with a barrell that can "throw" marble sized "ammo" at deadly velocities. This may require some gear reduction to achieve the desired velocity, but I'm confident that I could make it work. The other is based on an atlatl concept, but compounded with an additional mechanical advantage to throw multiple projectiles simultaneously. This concept would not be so accurate, but would spray a target in a linear signature. I would really like to test this second concept, as I believe the velocities could be quite astounding. I hope these descriptions trigger some creative thoughts with those who read this.

That's not a bad idea at all. But manufacturing it in the wilderness would be severely difficult. When you say wilderness you don't mean make these improvised weapons out of raw materials do you? You'd definitely need some semi-modern tools to make some of these ideas into a reality. You might no necessarily need a machine shop but you would need some knowledge in blacksmithing. Either way I like the way you think. And yes, it does get the old noggin rolling, thanks.