Religion is BS!!!

Discuss amongst yourselves. I'm veklempt!

But, seriously. I agree so much with what George Carlin said. Just, youtub "Religion is Bullshit!" and listen to how he puts it. I love it! It was also used in the begining of the Zeitgeist movie.

Oh boy.

It depends on how you define "religion" Truthwolf. If you mean man-made organized religion I'd agree but that is as far as I would go. But Carlin goes well beyond that definition and makes outrageously ignorant statements. And that's a big part the problem concerning the masses and the New World Order. People think they know what is going on (they laugh at conspiracy theory) yet haven't done any research at all.

As for Zeitgeist, the only accurate information in that whole documentary was about the Federal Reserve. Everything else was literally a lie. This isn't just my personal opinion it is a fact. All of the information Peter Joseph used to discredit Christianity (not religion) was made up or twisted and taken out of context to such a degree that he and his sources should get the liar award of the century.

I'm not going to go into details (too early in the morning) but I've written about this subject many times. All of the information Zeitgeist uses comes either directly or indirectly from Helena Blavatsky's book, "Isis Unveiled" or "The Secret Doctrine", both books are trash and not based on bit of solid research. The same is true with Acharya S., Jordan Maxwell and Daniel Tsarion. These people are Theosophists (Luciferians).

If you take the time to research their sources (there really aren't many) you'll find that they are either lying outright or twisting and adding to actual truth, turning it into a lie. Further, the NWO elite are theosophists also, so why would you want to trust people that are following and partaking in the NWO's religion?

I guess I should have been more specific. I agree as well that man-made organized religion falls into the category of BS and is used as nothing but as a means of control for the masses.

Now, spirituality, is a totally different matter. I consider myself highly spiritual, but I'm not part of any organized religion or spiritual group. I keep it very private and to myself.

Yes, Zeitgeist was great at exposing the Federal Reserve (albeit that several other great documentaries had already done so) but I agree also that most of the rest of Zeitgeist was heavily slanted and is most likey a NWO job aimed at all of us in search of truth as some sort of op, that is especially so after Peter Joseph released the addendum to it.

I merely mentioned the Zeitgeist movie; I did not mean to infer that I was in support of it; the NWO, the theosophists, etc.

So, as we get more members, lets see what others have to say about their religion or how they feel about it. Maybe I should have titled this topic "Spirituality" instead.

Hi wolf,

Man did you take a small weight off of my shoulders! So many people have been deceived by the anti-historical anti-Christian material presented in Zeitgeist that I've had to walk a very hard road undoing the damage Zeitgeist has done. Even when I've presented factual information that totally disproves the wild theories postulated in Zeitgeist people still refuse to accept the truth.

I'm glad you're intelligent enough to keep an open mind and at least listen to other possibilities, even if they might seem to go against your beliefs. That's a sign of intelligence and a true seeker of truth. Your title was ambiguous but not necessarily "wrong" or bad. My writing doesn't always come off as succinct or as clear as I would like it to either. Sometimes we're in such a hurry to counteract a lie or correct a mistake that we forget a few important details.

I'm glad you've decided to become a member Wolf. Feel free to write an article ( or articles) to enlighten everyone and get some discourse going. I hope my response wasn't taken in a bad way I just wanted to elaborate a bit on Zeitgeist and religion. I started off my response with "Oh Boy" because I was a little worried that I might have had a die-hard Zeitgeist fanatic on my hands. I apologize.

-laz.

Hey man, no need to apologize. I understood exactly where you were coming from. I didn't take it in a bad way. Heck, I felt like I should have apologized for starting the topic off so strongly. LOL!

No, die-hard Zeitgeist fanatic here--LOL. I saw Logan's Run. I don't want to live like that. Haha

More soon! Time to eat some lunch while listening to the show!

Thanks Wolf, glad to hear it! No, you needn't apologize nor feel like you should have apologized. It seems like the both of us were thinking the same thing! That's actually a good thing, it means we're on the same page to a certain degree. I think Army (Forum Administrator) would like you a lot.

I loved Logan's Run, it's one of my favorite movies. I'm also a big fan of Soylent Green and The Omega Man, both starring Charlton Heston. I love the older films that are based on apocalyptic or cryptic themes, they really get my imagination going. There are so many good films in this genre but some of them can be very difficult to find.

-laz.

Hello Truthwolf ! Its good to have you as a member ! I see you have already met our moderator Lazarus, a very intelligent man and an all around nice guy. I'm glad you decided to join the forum - please feel free to invite your friends, it is always 100% free to join. We dont want your money, just your IDEAS

As for religion being BS, I would have to agree with Lazarus. If you mean man-made, organized crime, oops, I mean religion, than I agree 100%. I am also not a member of any organized religious system. I'm a Christian, but I dont belong to any denomination. I consider myself spiritual too, not religious.

Anyways, its really good to have you here at freespeech. Please be aware that there are three basic rules for posts :

1. They cannot contain violent threats
2. They cannot contain libelous statements
3. They cannot contain pornographic material

The reason for the first two rules is for your own protection from our current police-state. The third rule is because minors are able to access the site. We're not here to censor you and we are all for freedom of speech but even we have to follow some rules if we dont want to be removed from the server. Also, we dont mind an occasional "bullshit" but we do ask you to please avoid the use of excessive profanity in consideration of the other members, especially as membership picks up; some of them could be minors or old ladies who would be shocked and appalled at the dropping of an "F" bomb. LOL

So enjoy yourself here at freespeech ! I look forward to reading your posts and hearing your ideas ! See you on the boards !

Thanks, Army of Heaven.

I'm happy to be part of a new forum and I look forward to everything we can do hear here.

I love your statement, "mand-made, organized crime..." That was spot on!

Thanks for the rules and we are on the same page pertaining to all of your post. I'll try to get as many people as I can to join.

Thanks Truthwolf ! I appreciate it ! We really want to make this forum a success.

Organized crime is basically what organized religion is. Just like the Pharisees ! They rob and oppress the people to hold on to their positions of wealth and power. Kind of like our politicians do ! LOL

Anyway, once again welcome to the forum we're very happy to have you here !

Peace

Okay, so here is my take on religion. Once upon a time in human history men and/or women got together and decided that their one way that worked for them and that was agreed upon by them was the best way for everyone else to live. [It doesn't matter what context you put this scenario in. This is a generalization for all]. Someone, or more than just one someone, decided this would be a great way to also get everyone else to do what they wanted to do.

Okay, so I digress. Everyone with even a limited amount of intelligence should know what I'm talking about. I don't feel (especially on here) that I should have to break it down in simple little parts.

Army, lazarus, we talked earlier about spirituality in this topic. That is what it is all about—personal spirituality. Personal in the literal sense. You both put it best when you wrote, in essence, that organized religion=organized crime or organized theft.

Organized religion is nothing but a means of control for the masses. And, as I spoke of above, it started in the most simple of forms and may have even actually had good intentions. But, as always, someone with not so good intentions, or a group of someone's, takes advantage of a group idea or that group itself to complete their own evil aims. (The Vatican and the organized Catholic Church is a whole other level and a whole other Topic! LOL!)

And, that in itself is what is psychotic (at least in a group sense) about it. To that person or small group—they may not perceive what they are doing to be evil—they consider it, however to be good. Alas, they have ignored the one truth inherent in the Universe: “Do No Harm.” I know—that can be tied to Pagan faiths (which is where partly my own spiritualism developed from) But, it does not matter where you might be able to tie it to. Heck, you can tie it to Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. What matters is the truth of the Universe. Defined more simply as: “Do the right thing.” Do what you can to reach your own truth or perfection. The Universe itself can not attain its own perfection (heck, it can't even figure out a perfect circle—thats why the numerical version of pie is endless). So, that is why we all, (meaning all lifeforms on all levels) are constantly searching! Isn't it wonderful?!

That phrase, “Do the right thing,” may mean many different things to many different people. But, remember, for the nature of this discussion we are talking about spiritualism. And, in that essence we must recognize that everyone is on a different path to the truth; and, furthermore we are all going to eventually reach the same result.

I am reminded of something my Father has said before when it comes to all the many paths of faith, spiritualism, etc. He stated that at one point in your life you'll be outside on a clear night, preferably away from all the city lights where you can see the most stars (this is, of course a colloquialism), and you'll look up at the night sky and say, “Well, DUH!” A lot of people can take offense to that (my own partner does), but simply put it means we all wish for the same thing, we all pray to the same thing. We all want the same thing. Peace. Harmony. Knowledge. Endless learning. Truth! Explore!

But, again, we have to recognize that everyone is on different paths to realizing that same thing.

For me, in many forms, science is a great truth (debating all the many different hypothesis that science posits and recognizing that science is yet just another form of religion is another topic is tantamount, especially, here—so someone star that topic! LOL!) that can be proven time and time again.

I discovered and realized my own spiritualism over fifteen years ago and was able to prove all of it with science and with the scientific method.

I've spoken to many native Americans, Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, Muslims, Shintoists, Hindus, Jews, etc. over the years that will all come to the same type of conclusions—yet they are on a different path to get there. May I also add that these were true spiritualists in their own right and their own group/path and not sheeple that were caught up in some false paradigm being used as a means to control them. They all agree. What is so wonderful about it is that even agnostics and atheists (such as my partner) agree as well. Science offers many hypotheses—it is only a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with those hypotheses and deciding what fits your particular path at this moment, time, and equation of the Universe that encompasses, that is YOU.

Your thoughts please. Let's elaborate and discuss this as much as we are capable in our specific terms (equations)!

Hi Wolf,

I think you brought up some good things, absolutes actually. Though we do not live in a black & white world there are absolutes. Religions sprouted up in Mesopotamia or as it's know today, Persia, basically Iraq & Iran and that general area. This point can be argued a little bit but for the most part it is true. This next statement you may disagree with; It seems to me that the various priesthoods (The Mystery Religions) were created by beings the Scriptures call the Nephilim or the Giants. Believe it or not the word Nephilim does translate as meaning giants and not the fallen ones. Many people have been hoodwinked into believing the fairly tales of the pseudo scholar Zacharia Stichin.

If you want to learn more about this subject then check out what a trained scholar ( of ancient languages) has to offer:

StichinisWrong.com

This priesthood (the mystery religions) exist today as the Catholic Church and the many secret societies that the Jesuits created through the power of the universal (Catholic) church. This is where Zeitgeist made so many mistakes, assuming that the Catholic church and the Vatican were Christian. The opposite is actually true. If you or anyone else for that matter takes a little bit of time and studies some Roman history you'll learn this fairly quickly.

All of the ancient civilizations, their religious and spiritual beliefs come from the same place. I'm talking pantheism here, gods and goddesses. From Babylon to Medo-Persia to the Grecian Empire on to the Roman empire and finally to the Holy Roman empire into the modern day, they all worshiped a pantheon of gods and goddesses that were virtually identical.

Osiris, Zeus, Saturn, Horace, Poseidon, Hermes, Horace, Semiramis, Diana, Baphomet, Attis, Bacchus, Krishna, Mars, you name it, they all represent the most ancient and first evil. At first glance some of these deities appear to be benevolent but that is an integral part of the deception. As the Scriptures say, "Lucifer comes as an angel of light" but in truth he is an evil usurper and a corrupter of all that is good. He isn't called the adversary for nothing.

This pantheon of gods and goddesses were not created from the imaginations of men, they are powerful spiritual beings (Fallen angels) that exist in our world and the spirit world concurrently. No matter what culture you may study you'll find the same old story. This isn't because people are similar, it is because all ancient peoples experienced visitations from the same spiritual beings and they were not aliens as some would have us believe.

Some people believe that there are many different paths to one ultimate truth but I strongly disagree with this philosophy. I would agree that people honest in heart who are seeking the higher truth do experience some truths in other spiritual disciplines, but depending on their level of knowledge and experience, they will either remain chained to a false belief system until they die or they will eventually become disillusioned in their current spiritual paradigm and move on to something new in order to continue the search for truth.

Think about this...Why would the Creator (God) develop so many different faiths, all teaching and practicing radically different ideas, supposedly to lead people to the same place in the end? It doesn't make any sense at all. There are just too many conflicting doctrines found within the hodgepodge of religions and spiritual paths in this world. Either God is playing a big joke on us for His own amusement or the fundamental belief that all paths lead to God (Truth) is incorrect. This brings us to an absolute truth...There is only one true path to God.

I believe this premise is correct.

Wolf, you wrote:

I am reminded of something my Father has said before when it comes to all the many paths of faith, spiritualism, etc. He stated that at one point in your life you'll be outside on a clear night, preferably away from all the city lights where you can see the most stars (this is, of course a colloquialism), and you'll look up at the night sky and say, “Well, DUH!” A lot of people can take offense to that (my own partner does), but simply put it means we all wish for the same thing, we all pray to the same thing. We all want the same thing. Peace. Harmony. Knowledge. Endless learning. Truth! Explore!

I disagree. You're assuming that all people are intrinsically good at heart but experience and history have proven this to be untrue. If it was true then the world would be a much different place then it is now. I don't think we're all praying to the same thing, i.e., God. There are literally millions of people, possibly (most likely) billions of people who could care less about truth or peace and only live life to fulfill their own selfish needs and wants. Their whole purpose for existing is to reach the top of the heap, regardless of who they hurt or murder on the way. Again, this is another fact that history has illustrated time and time again.

I like your view of science (though I'm not sure I would classify it as a religion, though I agree that some treat it as such and to an outside observer like you or I it would seem like that, even the observed might agree!) and I feel that science, ultimately is just truth or a method to reach truth. Unfortunately there exists a priesthood within the scientific community that act as gatekeepers and think themselves to be the supreme authority, ignorantly and arrogantly thinking that they define what science is. These gatekeepers deny the possibility of supreme deity from the outset, corrupting true science from the very beginning.

I discovered and realized my own spiritualism over fifteen years ago and was able to prove all of it with science and with the scientific method.

I'd like to hear your story sometime because I believe something very similar myself concerning my own faith. Isn't that funny? It goes back to my premise that there is only one path to God, either one of us is wrong or we're on the same path but using different terms to describe the same truth! Life is beautiful and amazing. When people here me say there can only be one path to God they become very angry and I understand why they become angry. But I also feel they misunderstand what I am saying. It isn't about my way being better than their way, that's juvenile. It goes back to absolute truth. Don't get me wrong, it isn't the simplest thing to discuss or to understand. It's best left to people mature enough to be able to sit down and debate and discuss it without taking each others heads off.

Your thoughts please. Let's elaborate and discuss this as much as we are capable in our specific terms (equations)!

Definitely, but let's take it slow. My brain is already overloading! I think we need to ease into these things gradually because they are so intense and because we're communicating through text verses talking face to face. It takes time to sit down and type out a response. If we were together things would flow much more easily.

That's it for now brother.

-laz.

P.S.,

Though we have different points of view and may disagree on some specific topics I believe we can discuss these very important issues and remain friendly towards each other. I love the Muslim the same as I love the Jew or the Atheist. I love the heterosexual the same as I love the homosexual. This may seem unbelievable coming from a Christian (a generic term to begin with) but I'm speaking the truth. There are people in this world who claim to follow Jesus Christ yet most of their time is spent hating and judging others when they should be loving others.

We only have to read the words of Jesus Christ to learn that I'm speaking the truth. Jesus did not preach hate, he preached love. Jesus told His followers to love their enemies and pray for them, not hate them and persecute them. And the other side of the coin, something that most people confuse or twist to strengthen their own personal beliefs is that Jesus Christ didn't just preach about love. He also came to to warn us of our sinful nature and our natural enmity toward God because of that sinful nature.

The philosophy, "Do what thou wilt" is a deception. We will have to answer for our behavior in this life. It may be a fearful and disturbing prospect but I believe it is the truth. Some very serious questions arise because of this truth and should not be ignored. God is patient but once a person blasphemes the Holy Spirit (continually denies and turns away from God's Savior and His mercy) they are toast. No one is guaranteed a place in eternity with God, we must conform to His character and do His commandments.

I read both of your posts and I'll reply soon to them.

I agree with taking it slow. Especially today, because I drank too much wine last night. My head hurts! LOL!

The show is very interesting today. I look forward to seeing the Begging for Billionaires documentary.

I would have to agree with Lazarus on this one. I also believe that the ancient "gods" and "goddesses" werent just imaginary creations of man, but real, powerful beings who fell to the earth. We call them the fallen angels. It is they who created so many differing religions and cults, and it is they who are the power behind the NWO and the architects of it's sinister schemes. The Book of Enoch goes into a little more detail about these beings. It is not a canonical Book because in it's present form parts of it are corrupted. However, it USED to be considered part of the canon and is quoted from in the NT in the Book of Jude. These are the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Persian and Sumerian "gods" and that is why in these cultures' stories of their "gods" they always act so immoral and wicked and depraved, for example Zeus raping Europa. The children of these Fallen Angels were giants and mighty men of old, whose names are renowned. This includes people like Hercules, etc. If you dig deep enough, you will find that all these ancient stories are based on fact but have been garbed over so many years with the facade of myth and legend. For example Atlantis was just Plato's term for describing the pre-flood world according to the understanding of his time. I can find numerous examples in the world's many cultures of common themes like Giants, Dragons, a universal Flood, etc., all of which are explained in the Bible. Dont get me wrong, the reason I believe the Bible is NOT just because it says to ! I had an experience when I was 18 where I actually SAW Jesus. I was asleep and had a vision (NOT a normal dream) where I was in an apt with some friends. There was a dirt, homeless man laying on the couch, and everyone wanted me to kick him out - but for some reason I blurted out, "No, that's Jesus." Then the man stood up and his filthy rags fell off of Him and my eyes were opened and I saw that it really WAS Jesus. He seemed very tall to me, almost like an Angel. His hair was long and black and He had a beard. His clothes were whiter and brighter than pure Light. He opened His arms and embraced me and there is NO words I can use to describe the feeling that came over me. Words like Peace, Joy, Love and Comfort dont even do it justice. I was so overwhelmed by being filled up with this feeling that I began to weep tears of joy. When I woke up in my own bed, it was SO depressing to be back on earth and not in Jesus' arms that it took me several days to kind of get back to normal. Ever since then I've been a Christian. I dont know if thats what you mean by Personal Spirituality, Truthwolf, but to me, I KNOW Jesus is real and that moment is where all my spirituality flows from. There really is NO WORDS that can describe how very much Jesus LOVES you. Even what I experienced was only a TASTE of whats to come. The things God has prepared for us in His Kingdom are too wonderful for us to even IMAGINE. I wont try to force any of my beliefs on you Truthwolf so dont worry. But I TRULY hope you get to experience what I did someday because it is better than ANYTHING I could compare it to !

Peace

Lazarus you brought up an interesting point bro. They teach us today that all people are basically good, etc but that's COMPLETELY wrong. I can prove it !!!

Think about it - everything GOOD had to be taught to you by your parents, teachers, etc. They probably had to spank you and ground you and what not in order to teach you things like "Share", "Be Nice", "Don't Hit", etc etc.

But NOBODY had to teach you to be Selfish, or to Make Fun of people, or to be Greedy, or to Hit. All those behaviors came NATURALLY to you. It is our NATURE as human beings because we are BORN wicked.

There is NOTHING more selfish than a little baby, despite what people say about children being "pure" and "not lying" etc which anyone who has children KNOWS is BS. A little baby wants what it wants when it wants it - it couldnt care LESS about you or what you need or want or whether you've slept in the last 3 or 4 days LOL. When it wants something, it just screams itself bloody red until someone gives it what it wants and THAT right there is the perfect poster child for Human Nature.

If people were bron basically GOOD and it was only a few bad apples who spoil the bunch, this world would be a much different, much better place to live. Unfortunately, thats not the case. Most people just continue to follow their animal instincts their whole life that tell them to lie, cheat, steal, kill, etc. Thats exactly why we need a Savior.

Peace

Dont get me wrong, the reason I believe the Bible is NOT just because it says to.

Before I write any commentary on your above statement I wanted to comment on your dream. Pretty amazing and I can see how an experience like that would change you and shake your foundations. I had a dream similar to yours, except I didn't see Jesus in the same form, to be honest I can't say for sure it was Him. This is what I saw:

I was inside my home, standing at the vestibule next to the side door that lead out to my driveway. I don't remember if I heard something and that lead me to open the door and see what was going on or whether I just decided to open the side door, either way I went outside and looked up into the sky. I saw a winged being (no joke) that appeared to be Jesus Christ. The sky was dark and full of storm clouds and the feeling was amazing yet fearful. There really isn't much more that I can remember, only that I thought it was Jesus Christ. when I woke up that is what popped into my mind.

I had a second dream, later on in life (fairly recently) where I was rising above the earth rather quickly. It was a sunny and beautiful day though it wasn't like any day I had ever experienced before. It was supernatural, that's the best way I could describe it. Anyway, as I rose up into the air, as I got ever higher (I'm talking above 30,000 feet) everything took on the likeness of the cross. It's hard to describe. Everything, as I rose ever higher, turned into crosses. It was very, very interesting and amazing. Everything morphed into the cross in such an amazing way, you'd have to experience it for yourself in order to properly understand why it was so profound.

And here's a third dream; This dream occurred between the two previous dreams, even as I remember it emotion is welling up in me, almost to tears. I stood, no, I was kneeling before the Father, the unseen God of the universe, the one who Jesus called the Father. He flooded my mind with every bad deed I ever did (getting very emotional right now) and I felt ultimate despair. (I'm actually pausing right now, wiping my eyes away and lighting a cigarette) He compressed a lifetime of sinful behavior into a single moment of time and it reduced me to nothingness, at that very moment I realized all the pain I had caused other people in my life up to that point in time.

It was horrible but I saw the complete truth, every bad deed was exposed by His light, I could hide nothing, nothing. I mourned (in the dream and afterward) like I had never mourned in my life before. I wasn't mourning because I felt damned, I didn't. I was mourning because of the pain I had caused other people and the pain I had caused my Father in heaven. I can't rightly remember everything in the dream (maybe I choose not to, who knows?) but the dream did not leave me feeling afraid or hopeless. The opposite was true. He was revealing the truth to me, saving me. He knew if I continued on my present path I would damn myself. I do remember the ultimate power and glory I felt while in His overwhelming presence, it was awesome, almost too much to bear.

Since then, I walk a difficult path, no doubt. Following Jesus Christ is not easy, it isn't supposed to be. I stumble and fall, I still sin but I am not a slave to sin. As it is written in the Scriptures, I'm being refined, seven times as pure gold, in order to learn the truth about myself and the rest of fallen humanity. I'm thankful that the Father admonishes me, for doesn't a father who loves his children do the same thing for the overall good of his children? When we pray for knowledge or wisdom the prayer is rarely answered in the way we imagine. If you pray for these thing be ready because it will not be anything like you think it will be. It isn't a game.

Right now, especially after remembering these dreams and sharing them with you I know what I should be doing but am not doing. (similar to the verses you showed me in the private message Army, the ones that Paul wrote concerning the Spirit and the flesh.) I don't spend enough time with my Father. Sure, I might read the scriptures and discuss them with you or my family but it isn't the same thing. I haven't communed with the Father, with Jesus Christ the way that I should be. I can't rightly remember the last time I drank wine and ate unleavened bread in remembrance of the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for me so that I might live instead of perish and die. It hasn't been years but it has been too long.

Onto lighter fare: Dont get me wrong, the reason I believe the Bible is NOT just because it says to.

Remember the noble Bereans. They carefully studied the Scriptures, making sure they were placing their faith in the truth rather then another lie created by man. God does not expect us to have blind faith, just Faith and trust in Him. I've studied the Scriptures for many years, just like the Bereans did and I know my faith is in the right place, unto death, and I'm not joking. Because of the amazing scientific evidence, historical evidence, prophetic evidence, etc., etc., I know that my faith and trust in YHWY is well placed. I can trust Jesus Christ, I can follow Him now because of what He has shown me these many years. What appears to an unbeliever as being blind faith is actually nothing of the kind. It is trust, YHWY has proven to me that I can trust Him and I try and live my life by trusting Him and no other.

-laz.

I must point out that in my earlier post I unfortunately implied that I thought that all people are intrinsically good. I'm not that naive. I know there are a lot of bad apples and oranges out there. And, most of them revel in being bad. That is extremely evident of many.

For just a moment I'd like to go deeper here. I am wondering if the two of you have ever looked into/studied Quantum Theory and/or String Theory.

We create our own reality around us with our very thoughts.

Reading about your dreams/visions was very humbling to me and I'm delighted that you both choose to share them with me. I have also had similar dreams, visions, and experiences with similar results. However, my own personal spiritualism is not tied to Christianity or to any other set system.

For me, it all comes back to what I know can be proven for myself. I don't discount other person's experiences and their own paths. I find it wonderful that there is literally an infinite number of experiences and a multitude of Universes on the macrocosm and the microcosm.

I don’t like labels.

I do like the fact that we are the Universe, made manifest, trying to figure itself out. We are the star stuff. (Ya, I ripped that line off, but it’s well put).

I’ve studied ancient Babylonia, the Sumerians, the Nephilim, etc. And, I agree also that Sitchin is wrong. And, I’ve found it highly entertaining that so many think that a lens flare in a photo is a rogue planet called Nibiru.

We live in exciting, interesting times.

And, btw, I’m still taking it a little easy right now. LOL. I’m 32—you would think that by now I’d know not to drink an entire bottle of wine right after four beers all in one night. Haha!

That's alright Wolf.

Omission isn't evidence of ignorance. If it was then I'd be one ignorant hombre!

I've heard of both theories, know a little bit about both of them (very little, if asked I would be hard pressed to put either of the two theories in words) but overall have a poor understanding of them. I know that there exist more than the four dimensions previously thought to be the limit, I've hear as many as eleven different dimensions existing according to scientist at the present time. I watched an educational program on String theory but have since forgotten most of what I learned but the main gist of it is not lost on me.

As for us creating our own reality with out thoughts do you mean metaphysically Wolf? Because I find it hard to believe that human beings have creative power over the physical. It's a very intricate topic. We could use Jesus as an example to explain both theories or at least expand on them (I apologize if bringing up Jesus every other sentence is bothersome or irritating but it fits the subject). The things Jesus did defy all current scientific knowledge but these theories may explain some of things He was able to do. From rising from the dead to healing sick, bringing Lazarus back from the dead, being at more than one place at the same time, etc., etc., all fits within or can be partially explained using these theories...Am I correct?

I personally don't care for labels either. I use them in order to more easily communicate with other people. When I used to tell people that I wasn't a Christian yet I followed Jesus Christ it usually just wound up confusing them. I had to go into too much detail to explain myself so I just dropped that whole gig. Labels can be useful but they can also be harmful. I tend to use them only when I feel I need to.

I do like the fact that we are the Universe, made manifest, trying to figure itself out. We are the star stuff.

I'd like you to elaborate on this statement if you wouldn't mind?

I’ve studied ancient Babylonia, the Sumerians, the Nephilim, etc. And, I agree also that Sitchin is wrong. And, I’ve found it highly entertaining that so many think that a lens flare in a photo is a rogue planet called Nibiru.

I'm with you there. When I first learned of Nibiru it was very interesting to me and I got into the whole subject with intense interest. But after learning the facts and the truth I quickly forgot about it and stopped wasting my time. I've yet to see any credible evidence that either strengthens or proves the existence of such a heavenly body. Funny, I never new that most people were basing there belief on Planet X because of a photo? I based the possibility of a roaming planet on the writings and misleading interpretations (not translations, that's an insult to real scholars) of Zachariah Stichin until a friend of mine lead me to the StichinisWrong.com website.

We live in exciting, interesting times.

That we do brother.

Hehe, we've all been there before. I've gone on a wino drunk before, though it's been many years. I still drink occasionally but rarely allow myself to get drunk. I might drink a beer or two but that's usually my limit. I don't like to loose my ability to think straight and alcohol is just too powerful for me nowadays.

-laz.

I apologize for not getting back to this topic sooner. We've been extremely busy the past few days.

Also, I'm actually starting to broaden some of my thinking and some possiblities. I will always be about science and what can be proven. But, at the same time I have to be totally honest with myself about some of my feelings. I guess what I'm trying to say is that here lately I'm questioning a lot more than what I usually do when it comes to religion and spirituality.

I couldn't sleep last night and was doing some research and came across the Eye of the Phoenix documentary and DL'd and watched it. Has anyone else seen that? Any thoughts about it?

Hey Wolf,

I'm busy right now but I'll get back to respond to your post later on tonight.

I am enjoing the conversation all. Keep it up. Glad to be a memeber. BTW it was also George Carlin that also said "there are so many religions, someone is going to hell anyway ". Seems a simple answer but if you take it in context, it is actually true. I live in the " Mormon Belt " here so I get to listen to a lot of different faiths being shot down. I chose a long time ago that the "church scene" if you will excuss the expression, was not for me. I do believe in God, but do not believe in He's only available on Sundays in a building. Being retired from EMS/ Fire Rescue, I find that He's available when needed,and that works for me. I get so tired of listening to others preach there's is the "right" Religion. Please, give me a break. Seems I always can find a subject that I can get people really aggitated over, but this is not my intent. Please no offense intended or desired. Just a little spin on the subject, Jim

I'm not big on quoting George Carlin and other celebrities and I'll tell you why...They're propagandists, they make their money from creating controversy and chaos. Take Carlin for instance, a lot of people think he's a decent guy because it appears like he's revealing the truth about the social situations in our country. He talks about greedy rich men (the guys who supply him with a large paycheck) and about the insanity of war and a lot of other controversial topics. At first glance it seems like he's against the system, it looks like he's fighting the power so to speak, but in reality he's just throwing out a hook, and the bait is truth. But once people go for the bait he starts reeling them in and that's where the propaganda and disinformation starts.

Carlin is big on gun control, multiculturalism, religious ecumenism, all of the engineered philosophies of the New World Order. Remember, these ideas and philosophies were created by their (the elite) think tanks and round table groups and were inserted into the public consciousness in order to destroy the traditional morals and values of our country . They repeat their philosophies often (through the mainstream media) and use all of their wealth and power to spread them like a cancer within our society. If you repeat something often enough people start to believe it and that is exactly why they use celebrities to spread their poison. Use a charismatic figure the people love and respect and the process becomes much more effective.

I agree with some of the things you said Jim but I don't care for Carlin or the majority of these paid shills called "stars".

You're right, you don't have to go to some church in order to be at peace with God. Before we discuss religion though, we need to define exactly what religion is. There are a lot of very subtle deceptions going on, a lot of cliche' phrases being thrown around and used by a lot of people. We need to ask ourselves where they originally came from and how they found their way intothe public consciousness. I believe you used one of them without really realizing it...and that's why anything often repeated should be examined very carefully.

The forces at work in this world are very powerful and have access to resources we can only dream of. The elite spend millions of dollars developing their propaganda and use the best minds available to them (draw from their institutions of higher learning). They don't introduce anything into society without first carefully studying all the possible ramifications. Once they have thoroughly discussed and perfected a particular piece of propaganda or disinformation they then use their mainstream media machines to relentlessly pump it and push it on the people.

We don't like spin (I have a feeling I misunderstood your use of the word spin) on this forum my friend. If you have an opinion or a belief you'll be expected to defend it and debate it. If we just blindly accept what we hear or see then we're no better than mindless animals. By discussing and debating each other (careful examination and discourse) we have a much greater chance at discovering some real truth. If someone is right then their beliefs and ideals will stand the scrutiny and and questioning of others. If something is false and just another well dressed pig it will fall by the wayside and wither and die.

Don't get me wrong Jim, I don't want you to think I'm being unfriendly or that I'm angry because I'm not. I'm actually feeling quiet good right now (except for a few pulled muscles from turning a fallowed garden by hand) I'm just trying to explain that on this forum we don't want people to except the statements or ideas of others without first carefully discussing and questioning them. Kind of like what you'll find in the scientific community, it's called peer review. The difficult part of that process is finding people intelligent enough to be honest in their review of a particular subject. Like anything else in this world there are rules that we have to follow in order to reach the proper conclusions.

The main purpose of this forum is to gain knowledge and insight about the world that surrounds us and to create relationships with like-minded people. We don't want people writing single sentences filled with baseless opinions or simply assenting to the opinions of others (It's perfectly fine to agree with another member we'd just like to know why you agree). There are already plenty of forums like that on the Internet, we don't need one more. We want everyone to participate in the debates and the discussions intelligently and without malice.

Anger is fine as long as you don't allow that anger to control you or allow it to lead to vicious attacks on other members. If you have a specific opinion and someone doesn't agree be prepared to defend your point of view because it will probably be challenged. The main reason for challenging the opinions and beliefs of others is to see if they can stand in the light of truth. The hard part is avoiding a false consensus. Just because the majority may agree with you doesn't mean you're correct. That's why rules are important.

Laz, you are totally correct about the "churches", bro. They dont usually preach the truth or even ALLOW the truth inside their buildings ! All they want is their "tithe" (which is a whole other subject, but suffice it to say for now that it is NOT Biblical the way it is practiced today). The Bible predicted this, of course :

2Pe 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

(Did TBN come to anybody else's mind when reading that passage, or was it just me ?)

Truthwolf, I think its GREAT that your asking yourself big questions about religion and spirituality, etc. Only by asking questions do we receive answers ! I will continue to pray that Revelation will be granted unto you. If there is anything I can do to help, or if you have any questions, please let me know, I will try to help you in whatever way I can.

Jim, I think I know what you mean. I also believe that God is available 24/7 whenever we need Him and is NOT locked inside the church building during the week ! LOL. Thank you for being an EMS. For all the lives you have helped to save, may God bless you richly. I would have to agree with Laz about ol' George Carlin, but I think I understand the point you are trying to make. To me, RELIGION is a dirty word. It's a man-made attempt to reach God at best, and a good way to rob and control other people at worst. To me, true Christianity is a world apart from any kind of religion. Being a Christian means having a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It's NOT a system of rules and regulations that must be observed and obeyed if one is to get to Heaven. Christianity is God's attempt to reach us. All our sins will be forgiven us because of our trusting in Jesus Christ. Not based on any works we have done, whether good or evil. It is based solely upon our acceptance of God's provision. You see, God KNEW we couldnt get it right. So He provided a "get out of jail free card" which He is holding out to you, and all you have to do is reach out and take it. Its the easiest thing in the world !

Peace all